Mail Archives: djgpp/1998/08/06/23:31:46
lubaldo AT adinet DOT com DOT uy wrote:
> Hello again...
>
> Another of my opinions :-)))
>
> I disagree with you Merlin in that by using Allegro you stop learning.
But that's not quite what i meant.. you may use allegro and learn a great deal... I
just don't think people should stop when they have mastered allegro's syntax. I think
that they should continue trying to find out more about how the functions work beneath
the mask of the libray's syntax or go onto something else at least.. but this is just
my opinion.
> I use Allegro and a lot of people does, but we are not stopping to learn!
> I think that it is important to ever learn something! If you aren't
> learning thats too bad! Someone has to learn and partially thats the fun of
> programming! -> the discovering!
> If you think that Allegro is stoping you in your learning process, I think
> you don't have to use Allegro and do an Allegro equivalent by yourself or
> something else that teachs you something and seems interestingly for you.
> Someone has to find something interesant to do, something that you think
> that you can learn with it.
> In my case (and in others cases), reinventing Allegro isn't interesant at
> the moment, we are doing other things that are interesant to us and that
> teach to us.
> If you find that doing something like Allegro is interesant (many people
> thinks that too I think), then no wait more!!! Go now and do it! Because
> you will enjoy it! After all: most of us are here to learn and have fun!
> And if you do it, no matter if you do it as complete or better or worst
> than Allegro, what matters is that you have fun with it and learn something
> with it!
True... IMO you need to like what your doing or else you will get bored and quit.
> I have to add that most of us (all?), users of Allegro, don't think we are
> cheating: we are using a library that helps to us a lot, but we actually do
> a HARD work to do what we do! I am working a lot on my current project withAllegro!
> I am proud of the progress we (my friends and me) are achievingwith it. It is OUR
> game with the contribution of a LOT of people, includingShawn and its contributors.
> But I don't think I am cheating. I am tellingeveryone that I am using Allegro, if
> they don't know what it does, they don't know anything about programing, so, they
> don't know anything about the hard the programming is, so they will not evaluate the
> hard work involved in the program anyway...
> If you *feel* like cheating with Allegro, that means that you are
> unconfortable with it. If you are unconfortable with it, thats not good...
> so I think you have to use something else or do your own library if thats
> makes you feel good -> you have to feel good with your programs! I actually
> don't understand why you feel like that (tryed to understand...),
I just like to know every detail of what my program does... well almost every detail.I
don't like to call functions that will for example load a pcx for me with 1 call. It
just seems that I am missing something...Like it seems to easy for me...but that's
probably just me. :-)
I suppose I should get used to using libraries though. It does seem to be the
direction in which programming is going.
> I am
> trying to help you to clarify the things and answer to your email that you
> have requested for opinions... opinions only.
and Thank you for your opinion.
> Please Merling, don't think of Allegro users like if we where lazy people,
by no means do i think anyone who uses allegro is lazy or cheating...that's just how i
feel...actually.. it makes me feel more lazy rather than cheating.
> or that we are cheating. In my case at least (and in all the cases I have
> seen) I am not lazy, I spent hours and hours of work on my game together
> with my friends and I will spend more hours!
And I'm sure it is a great game...or going to be...
> Also note: as a lot of other people said: you will ever be using others
> tools, you cant escape to that. Imagine: someone has invented mathematics,
> you will not use them? If someone codes for Windows, it will be using lots
> of libraries, or if someone codes for Unix also, if someone codes for DOS
> also, but it is all the same! You will ever be using others people code and
> you have to try to feel good with the tools you use, thats inevitable.
> Hopefully, DJGPP and Allegro users are proud to use freeware tools! I feel
> very good knowing that all the tools I am using are maked with love and not
> with money!
Yes.... I would have close to no c++ programming experience if not for djgpp and all
the tools
> Ok, I know that money doesn't mean that you don't have to do
> something with love... but you sure understand my point.
indeed.
>
>
> Ok... sorry... a big letter again... mmm... its because I don't want to go
> to sleep: I have to wake up in the morning and go to study... ok, for some
> things I am lazy :-))
naa...big letters are better...more information.
>
>
> Good look and good bye Merlin and everyone reading this.
Good luck to you as well,
Merlin.
>
>
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